We all ask for the spirit of discernment & as we grow in spirit, will soon know who is who or the Holy Spirit reveals it to us without you being judgemental to a fellow human being. Trying to save? "I wondered why so many people wanted a platform ministry when there was ministry waiting in hospital waiting rooms all over the world. What are churches to do when false teachers from outside a congregation exert an influence within the congregation? If you have won souls to Christ this way, or have gotten any of the people you attack to repent, then AMEN. Rather than writing about her on message boards, I encourage you to follow Matthew 18 and attempt to reach her directly (her website, her social media accounts, her ministry, her appearancesincluding one in Chicago this week). It is this which gives them away. You may see that as liberal-feminism or call me a heretic, but I see that as the Christ in me touching the heart of someone who had lost his way. If you know scripture you could in an instance see where Christine Caine is wrong. Hope 103.2 will be ready to celebrate what's good in society and culture. Ugliness! "If you had asked me, I would have told you that I had no time or margin to fit in a physical health battle. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Believers, on the other hand, must continue abiding in the doctrine of Christ to have fellowship with the Father and the Son. What does the Church need to do from here? You meaning taking the word for WHAT IT IS and SPEAKING AND FOLLOWING IT BY FAITH!!?? I spend most of my time focusing on my OWN Bible study through prayer and time in the Word, as it is important for me to grasp a solid understanding of His word for myself (with the backing of the Holy Spirit) BEFORE I start delving into what other people have to say about the Bible, commentaries, and like. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. In order to post comments, please make sure JavaScript and Cookies are enabled, and reload the page. We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. Thats not in scripture. Relational challenges, staff challenges, the whole world shifting and it was like: Chris, do you want to keep your foot on the gas? I could cruise Ive got so much momentum from 30-odd years of serving Jesus. God uses different people to reach the lost because every lost person is different. Your pastor is correct, your self worth, your weight and you fiscal condition has nothing to do with the saving Gospels, a good gym with good instructors, a good financial planner will do the same, the issue is whether Cain and Meyer handle scripture correctly, they dont, they have also gone beyond the mandate of the qualifications to be a teacher. Names that comes to mind are cult leaders like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and David Koresh, that ended up promoting themselves as God. Local: 704-401-2432 Are you kidding? Praise Jesus. . - Christine Caine. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Maybe you should try reading the word again. Mariners Church. There are soooo many books that have women leaders in them. Good night read your Bible berean and how about not twisting it when you do so. Theres no room for compromising. They only care for themselves. "Of course the enemy wanted to silence my voice," said Caine. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. 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Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? The key word: DIRECTLY. It was unarguably one of the "busiest and biggest seasons" of her life but Caine notes that she held on to faith during the entire process because she had no other resource. Victoria Osteen shares how God can use your past to bring greatness to the Kingdom. I dont think I ever felt I could write it before now, because its the biggest thing that Ive had to struggle with throughout my whole life and my Christian life. Nevertheless, even pastors in non-congregational churches must still rely upon the congregations cooperation for excommunication to work. When the bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and leader of multiple international organisations appears on our morning Zoom call, she is straight off the treadmill, laughing and apologising for her appearance in a sorry-not-sorry way that epitomises her no-nonsense attitude. No doubt! This new book is incredibly timely; did you start planning it before lockdown happened? Discernment I will live my life by His example, by His word and how the Holy Spirit reveals the word to me, not by man/woman alone and definitely not by this article or ministries as such. Emma is a trustee for Christian festival Creation Fest and lives in Cornwall with her husband and two teenage daughters. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? Kenyons principal disciple was Kenneth Hagin Sr., the recognized father of the Word of Faith movement. As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. In addition, Christine Caine endorses practice of pagan/witchcraft as seen here in Battersons Circle Making book blurb, 2. When Christine was a youth pastor at the Hillsong Church, she attended a workshop on abuse to get ideas about how to help people. This episode will help you overcome feeling disqualified because of your past so you can walk in freedom as you fulfill the purpose God has for your life. 3:3). In spite of the fact that Caine teaches ubiblical word-faith/prosperity theology and engages in New Age practices, she has been a featured speaker for Louis GigliosPassion conferences and has preached with prominent Reformed pastor John Piper. I want to share my life, not a filtered life., In both her writing and speaking, no topic is off-limits whether it is the sexual abuse she suffered as a child, finding out that she was adopted in her 30s, battling thyroid cancer in her 40s, or the panic attacks that she started to experience in her 50s. I had to really get to a place where I felt Id made good headway in living a shame-free life, to be able to put the stuff that Ive learnt in writing. I find this website quick to site scriptures to denounce the heretic in question, but slow to provide biblical reference to support their own advice/logic. Or is there a more biblically formed motive for the controversy? I have Matthew 18 to back me up. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. I only speak on my personal experiences, what I have read, what I have heard, what I have been taught, and what interactions I participated in. I know I am using a generalized context, as some would argue that ministering is different then preaching or teaching. Thanks for sharing. It was very difficult for my family in the early days to cope with. However, I see the followers of this site not as such.. It certainly has been the fight of my life to get to the place of trusting God to redeem the broken pieces of my past for his glory. Yet for Scott, the negative impact of this event lingers. I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. Wow. That said, taking the gender issue away (just for second), the confusion persists in this idea that those who are unmarried cannot minister. Had I listened to the Pastor who told me Joyce Meyers ministry went against the word of God I may still be 300+pounds tens of thousands of dollars in debt and struggling to find my worth and value as a woman of God. They were completely syncretic with the pagan worship of that day. Youre not speaking as a Christian should. For all others, we must be clear about our rejection of their dangerous teaching. Yes I agree with that, those women who followed the call of God, were and are obedient to God are a treasure in the church, good and Noble women that hear and follow their Master, not the worldly ones that ensnare the gullible, the undiscerning, the ones too lazy to read scripture, those are led astray by these false teachers. We think discipleship is: Im going to be a better version of me, Gods going to give me whatever I want, Im going to live my best life now. Presumably, Apollos responded favorably to their correction such that Paul would later identify Apollos as a co-laborer in preaching the gospel (1 Cor. Please show proof. The FIRST thing you should do when you have an issue with someone is to confront THEM. And that was pivotal in bringing me to a saving relationship with Jesus. You will have to stand before God in all things that you have said including the ways you are talking about Gods people here. They make themselves rich by promising you the same. . I had developed a lot of patterns of destructive behaviour and negative thought patterns.The big turnaround in my life was at Sydney University. They are not the true church. Presumptuous, ridiculous and like a Christine Caine sermon unbiblical. We are to rebuke openly false teaching. Zip it!! Paul didnt want Timothy merely to triumph over the false teachers. Wolves are loners. Pastors have a responsibility to oppose false teaching whenever it arises. I think I can share a testimony now because I have ongoing victory in this area.. Just like any Christian today, either male or female. I think we have to be careful here. At one point, 24 years ago, holding a toilet brush, I laughed out loud and thought, Wow, this is not what I thought ministry would look like. janv. Read more quotes from Christine Caine. They want to judge the world because it makes them feel better about their sad little lives. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. Every time we put a trafficker in jail, I feel like Joseph in Genesis 50:20, who says to his brothers: You meant this for evil against me, but God meant it for this very purpose. The greatest thing I can do is bear much fruit. So I grew up with a strong God-consciousness, but not a personal relationship with Christ. False teacher? What did Jesus look like? As we came closer to the time of Christ, mankind in its rebellious teenage years, we had the lessons of the prophets. Question for you: what are you doing to follow Matthew 18 and take your questions and concerns to Christine, Joyce, etc in person? During the interview, Christine shared the story of how, at the age of . Pastored by @ericbgeiger. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. Word of Faith Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? Like the Old Testament is a handbook for raising small children, and the prophets are a way of example for teenagers, the New Testament serves as a college level class on living. But perhaps Christine Caines best known and most worrisome bond is with false (Word of Faith) teacher Joyce Meyer. When you first start being abused you think that what is happening to you is shameful and wrong, but when it happens repeatedly over a long period of time and no-one intervenes, you begin to think theres something wrong with you. In terms of my own faith journey, growing up I attended a lot of two-hour services with liturgy in ancient Greek. Jakes' denial of the Trinity, to Christine Caine's Word of Faith heresy, to Lysa TerKeurst's teaching of contemplative prayer. God will be our judge! How is a comment like Michaels supposed to attract a lost soul? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Its been shown over and over how these two (Caine, Meyer) twist scripture, and theyre supporters keep buying it. Im helping girls in the A21 transition homes who have been brutally abused and raped and are so shame-filled, helping them find their identity in Christ and stand on their own two feet, she told Hope 103.2, [but] Ive seen some of those same shame struggles in some of the most successful women, that battle with the shame of trying to balance life, thinking Im at the office too much and Im not the mother or wife I could be or girls that are in their mid 30s or 40s and are single and struggling with shame over that. You seem to have sincere concerns, so what does anonymously posting about them online do? The congregation has a role in this, which brings us to our third point. So we can correct any mistakes before permanent post? Paul says: one thing I do: forgetting what is behind and straining towards what is ahead, I press on (Philippians 3:13-14). A number of conjectures have been put forth why Priscilla comes first at all in the references to them both. God is good and God does good, but bad things do happen to good people. Best-selling Christian author Christine Caine is calling on all Christians to get real and be authentic in their relationships in her new book. They called people out TO THEIR FACES, whether in speech or by letter. Like back in SUFTT? Absolutely agree with her. We report on news and give our opinion on topics such as church, family, sexuality, discipleship, pop culture, and more! While I am not an avid follower of Caine, Meyer or Beth Moore, the times I have seen them, their husbands were in the audience (and their travel schedules referenced). Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. Stage 1 or stage 4 cancer was not going to impact the ability of the surgeon to cut my throat I wanted to be delivered from this situation, but ten weeks later, I discovered God wanted me to walk through this.". Wow. Am I talking like this? What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save? Lets focus on the Love of Jesus and love love lovebe Jesus out thereChristine Cain, Joyce and all those you judge..they love the Lordperhaps u should look inward friend. But we are supposed to believe be brave enough to call it to their faces? Is it helping these teachers repent? Focus on the Lord and get in the word. . For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple., The word mark is from (skopeo) which means to look at, behold, watch, contemplate; which is used metaphorically of looking to. It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. 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